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Posted: Jul 12 2008, 01:10 AM
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i hate when people say shit then apologize 4 it

u said it man up 2 it

jesse just mad because he has had several chances to be where obama is

and he blew it

don't hate jesse u to old 4 that


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QUOTE (SexySapphire @ Jul 11 2008, 09:57 PM)
And this is not about the Clintons. This is about Barack Obama, and the fact that he's trying to give a wink-wink, nod-nod to the White voters and essentially say to them 'See, I'm not afraid to take my people to task..'

Why do you say that? I don't see his tough talk to the slacking black father's as trying to get in good with white folk.


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Posted: Jul 12 2008, 08:41 PM
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QUOTE (Noki Ling @ Jul 12 2008, 04:59 PM)
Why do you say that? I don't see his tough talk to the slacking black father's as trying to get in good with white folk.

Well, that's precisely the way I see it.

I think it's his way of telling White America that he's not afraid to take his own people to task. After all, he's trying to appeal to the working class Whites who did not support him during the primary. He needs them for the general. What better way to do it, then to sell out your own people and stereotype all Black fathers as not doing their job.

I think those remarks were very much politically motivated.


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Posted: Jul 12 2008, 08:52 PM
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QUOTE (Code Orange @ Jul 12 2008, 12:30 AM)
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QUOTE (Gemini @ Jul 11 2008, 10:46 AM)
What was it in Obama's speech that makes you think he was talking down to black people?

And Jesse makes me sick. Only apologizing because he was caught. He's a hypocrite because he was standing behind Bill Cosby when he went on his rants about the black community. Now all of a sudden he feels differently because it's Barack. I think a little jealousy is involved. Such a shame.

The fact that he only told one side of the story: the Black fathers who are MIA and not doing their job. That's the problem I had with his speech on Black fathers.

Listening to his speech, you would have thought that no Black fathers are doing what they are supposed to do. I think it would have been a more effective speech, had he told both sides of the story, and also taken the time to mention the fathers out there who are doing an outstanding job.

But to tell only one side, just made it look like he was stereotyping every Black father, and talking down to the entire Black race.

Most of the Black fathers I know don't need lectures from Barack Obama about being a father. Heck, someone could call into question Barack's own parenting skills, being as though he's putting his own minor daughters out there for public consumption. That Access Hollywood interview his daughters just did, wasn't the first time he put his daughters out there for his political gain. I remember one of them standing up at a rally going "Vote for my daddy" or something like that.

And I don't think Rev. Jackson is jealous of Obama. Sadly, he's wholeheartedly supported him. I remember at Tavis Smiley's annual State of the Black Union this year, he was on the panel and he said "It's Obama time." And Tavis Smiley had to kindly remind him that the purpose of the forum was not to be endorsing candidates.

So for people to now assert that he's some hater or jealous of Obama, is ridiculous when he's done nothing but blindly support him this entire campaign.

I just think it's a shame that he's backtracking from his comment that Obama talks down to Black people. If that's what he feels, then stand by that.

Not to be negative, but did the Clintons ever talked down to black people, which is what Jesse thinks Obama has done?

Although I don't care for his FISA vote and Obama isn't perfect, but he would be better than McCain, who could care less about Black America and women's issues.

Well, just for the record, no, I don't believe the Clintons have "talked down" to Black people. If you have evidence to the contrary, show it.

And this is not about the Clintons. This is about Barack Obama, and the fact that he's trying to give a wink-wink, nod-nod to the White voters and essentially say to them 'See, I'm not afraid to take my people to task..'

Finally, with respec to your argument that Obama isn't perfect but would be better than McCain...I'm not willing to simply settle for the lesser of two evils. Obama presented himself to the American public as a different kind of politican, and so far, he isn't living up to that.

No, there isn't any evidence (although some will say South Carolina exposed them for who they are). You were a Hillary supporter, but some her supporters have had a change of heart since her concession and don't mind supporting Obama, and, he's helping her pay off her campaign debt.

If he isn't doing much then why is he leading McCain in states that are either toss up or have a chance voting Democratic this year (i.e. New Mexico, Colorado, Iowa, Missouri, etc)? But if you feel that the greater of two evils (McCain) will do more to help Black America than one of your own, so be it.

So, if there's no evidence of the Clintons selling out Black Americans, then why would you mention them in your post in the first place? Seems to me that you were just trying to keep from dealing with Obama's shortcomings, so you interject the Clintons, only to turn around and admit you have no evidence to back up your assertion. Amazing.

By the way, you used the past tense to say to me "you were a Hillary supporter..." Correction: I AM a supporter of Sen. Clinton's still.

Interesting that you would bring up Obama supposedly helping her pay off her debt. You must not have read about his little gaffe the other day when he and Sen. Clinton appeared together at a joint fundraiser. He was supposed to ask his supporters to fill out pledge cards to help Sen. Clinton erase her debt. He forgot. So his aides had to remind him that he forgot to mention helping Sen. Clinton with her debt.

You're making it look like he's doing this great wonderful job of helping Sen. Clinton. Spare me.


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Posted: Jul 12 2008, 10:33 PM
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QUOTE (SexySapphire @ Jul 12 2008, 07:52 PM)
QUOTE (Code Orange @ Jul 12 2008, 12:30 AM)
QUOTE (SexySapphire @ Jul 11 2008, 09:57 PM)
QUOTE (Code Orange @ Jul 11 2008, 10:30 PM)
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QUOTE (Gemini @ Jul 11 2008, 10:46 AM)
What was it in Obama's speech that makes you think he was talking down to black people?

And Jesse makes me sick. Only apologizing because he was caught. He's a hypocrite because he was standing behind Bill Cosby when he went on his rants about the black community. Now all of a sudden he feels differently because it's Barack. I think a little jealousy is involved. Such a shame.

The fact that he only told one side of the story: the Black fathers who are MIA and not doing their job. That's the problem I had with his speech on Black fathers.

Listening to his speech, you would have thought that no Black fathers are doing what they are supposed to do. I think it would have been a more effective speech, had he told both sides of the story, and also taken the time to mention the fathers out there who are doing an outstanding job.

But to tell only one side, just made it look like he was stereotyping every Black father, and talking down to the entire Black race.

Most of the Black fathers I know don't need lectures from Barack Obama about being a father. Heck, someone could call into question Barack's own parenting skills, being as though he's putting his own minor daughters out there for public consumption. That Access Hollywood interview his daughters just did, wasn't the first time he put his daughters out there for his political gain. I remember one of them standing up at a rally going "Vote for my daddy" or something like that.

And I don't think Rev. Jackson is jealous of Obama. Sadly, he's wholeheartedly supported him. I remember at Tavis Smiley's annual State of the Black Union this year, he was on the panel and he said "It's Obama time." And Tavis Smiley had to kindly remind him that the purpose of the forum was not to be endorsing candidates.

So for people to now assert that he's some hater or jealous of Obama, is ridiculous when he's done nothing but blindly support him this entire campaign.

I just think it's a shame that he's backtracking from his comment that Obama talks down to Black people. If that's what he feels, then stand by that.

Not to be negative, but did the Clintons ever talked down to black people, which is what Jesse thinks Obama has done?

Although I don't care for his FISA vote and Obama isn't perfect, but he would be better than McCain, who could care less about Black America and women's issues.

Well, just for the record, no, I don't believe the Clintons have "talked down" to Black people. If you have evidence to the contrary, show it.

And this is not about the Clintons. This is about Barack Obama, and the fact that he's trying to give a wink-wink, nod-nod to the White voters and essentially say to them 'See, I'm not afraid to take my people to task..'

Finally, with respec to your argument that Obama isn't perfect but would be better than McCain...I'm not willing to simply settle for the lesser of two evils. Obama presented himself to the American public as a different kind of politican, and so far, he isn't living up to that.

No, there isn't any evidence (although some will say South Carolina exposed them for who they are). You were a Hillary supporter, but some her supporters have had a change of heart since her concession and don't mind supporting Obama, and, he's helping her pay off her campaign debt.

If he isn't doing much then why is he leading McCain in states that are either toss up or have a chance voting Democratic this year (i.e. New Mexico, Colorado, Iowa, Missouri, etc)? But if you feel that the greater of two evils (McCain) will do more to help Black America than one of your own, so be it.

So, if there's no evidence of the Clintons selling out Black Americans, then why would you mention them in your post in the first place? Seems to me that you were just trying to keep from dealing with Obama's shortcomings, so you interject the Clintons, only to turn around and admit you have no evidence to back up your assertion. Amazing.

By the way, you used the past tense to say to me "you were a Hillary supporter..." Correction: I AM a supporter of Sen. Clinton's still.

Interesting that you would bring up Obama supposedly helping her pay off her debt. You must not have read about his little gaffe the other day when he and Sen. Clinton appeared together at a joint fundraiser. He was supposed to ask his supporters to fill out pledge cards to help Sen. Clinton erase her debt. He forgot. So his aides had to remind him that he forgot to mention helping Sen. Clinton with her debt.

You're making it look like he's doing this great wonderful job of helping Sen. Clinton. Spare me.


I know people that feel that way in the real world. My family members are some of them. They used to defend Bill from Monica, the GOP, and other scandals and feel like they have been duped by them.

Because if Jesse had said this about Hillary or Bill, her supporters might have a different view. I am NOT a one of those Obama cultists that says yes to everything he does or says. And I have NEVER, ever, said any Hillary supporter was a "Clinton shill." I have NEVER said anything bad about Hillary at this site or in the real world. I am supporting him because I don't want another 3rd term of Bush (aka Bush 3).

I was just asking that question because I was curious as to how people would react if this was the other way around. I am not a Jesse fan and he shouldn't have had to apologize if he meant it.

Yes, Obama made a gaffe, (while McCain aka McBush has made 20 gaffes than Obama in the last two months) but he took responsibility for that and other things like the family interview. What's wrong with introducing his family to the public?


You don't have to be mean about this all. I am not a troublemaker here so forget I even said anything. dry.gif

I'm out. Bye.
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